Fitna - The Movie
Here’s the official Fitna movie that has caused a huge amount of fuss. Was it worth it? You decide. I have hosted it on Viddler which means it wont be overloaded and you can watch it better than on the official site. You can also download it in minutes, which might be a good idea. ONLY VIDDLER MEMBERS CAN DOWNLOAD, SO JOIN, IT’S EASY
UPDATE: VIDDLER HAVE REMOVED IT. NO EXPLANATION GIVEN. 30,000 VIEWS SO FAR. NUMBER 3 IN LIST OF MOST POPULAR.
Uploaded again to a different account. Download while you can.
March 28th, 2008 at 3:08 am
wow blessed be our Lord
March 28th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Genius….(maybe)…but childish……go ahead with your FEAR !
March 28th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
What fear? We are only trying to wake people up so that they demand a government that will deal with the problem.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:38 pm
“Facts are stubborn things.”
— John Adams
“A nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people.”
— John F. Kennedy
March 28th, 2008 at 10:45 pm
Ray,
I posted the embed at my site–with proper attribution, of course.
Hope that I don’t steal your traffic. Such is certainly not my intention.
March 28th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Always on Watch:
More traffic than my bandwidth can deal with. No problem.
March 28th, 2008 at 11:14 pm
Thanks for this….will it stay on?
March 28th, 2008 at 11:38 pm
Excellent eye opener and total truth.
Islam is aggressive and intollerant and people who fully practice it will become intollerant.
A religion who doesn’t believe in equality.
Great work by Geert Wilders. May God keep him safe from fundamentalists.
March 28th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
Great work by Geert Wilders and an eye opener to ever increasing violence by Islam…
March 29th, 2008 at 2:47 am
I thought this Dutch film was good - nothing really controversial. It just presented the true, recent instances of horrible violence done by extremist Islamic groups and showed picture, videos of extremely hateful Islamic leaders telling us what they want to do to us in our countries.
I encourage others here to present these same truths in your own words to your own community, leaders etc.
The message should be clear and direct: Here is radial Islam, the Jihadists. This is what they have done to us in the very recent past (if you want you can include history from past centuries, quote their very violent holy book) and note what many of their leaders boast they will do to us in our countries in the future.
We must resist, not submit.
Here is our movie which presents many of the same themes as the banned Dutch film. We think we did this rough subject in a positive way that will inspire our people to….
resist not “submit”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n731ujoR2Q
God bless all of you and your families and if you are secular - hey that’s fine, just stand up for our rights to have a beer, a BBQ pork rib and enjoy the site of a pretty western gal showing her beautiful face and maybe and ankle or a shapely leg in public. Seeing as these Jihadist women are so very ugly I can understand why they want to cover them up, maybe they should cover up the ugly bodies and minds of these ugly, hateful Jihadists.
Resist
March 29th, 2008 at 3:43 am
MUSLIMS ARE LIKE TRANSVESTITES.
NORMAL PEOPLE TRAPPED IN A WRONG RELIGION…
March 29th, 2008 at 11:09 am
l’Homme est foncierment mortel ;et les religions sont instrumentalisées pour semer davantage de haine entre les peuples.
March 30th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Important film; wish it was required viewing by our lame U.S. politicians. I for one DON’T WANT TO BE CONVERTED AT THE POINT OF A SWORD. Too bad the U.S. doesn’t have any politician or journalist for that matter as brave as Wilders. Yes BRAVE. Muslim fundamentalists (whether terrorists or not) are thugs and cowards.
March 30th, 2008 at 10:32 am
I have taken the liberty of linking your excellent site over on the Green Arrow.
March 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Green Arrow,
Thanks. I always find your blog a good read.
March 31st, 2008 at 4:51 am
FITNA is a reflection of KAFIR unknows about the great of ISLAM
FITNA = KAFIR PARANOID
March 31st, 2008 at 4:54 am
FITNA=KAFIR’s PARANOID OF ISLAM…………..
March 31st, 2008 at 9:27 am
GO TO HELL
WAIT MY REVENCE 11 OCT 2008
March 31st, 2008 at 10:33 am
They say a phobia is an irrational fear. There’s nothing irrational when someone wants to kill you.
christ againts: you’ll go to hell first.
March 31st, 2008 at 9:15 pm
Ray,
Thanks for retrieving the film again. I’ve posted the new embed at my web site.
Can you believe all the chasing down we have had to do just to show this film? Sheesh.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:01 am
Dear all,
It is very shockingly amazing to hear and read about the contents of a movie by a Dutch parlimentarian, supposed to be a man with a great sense of responsibility which he is not.
I really feel very sorry for the voters who voted for such an idiot who rather than bridging the gap among the different cultures and religions is spreading hatred in the world by twisting the facts.
The fact should not be forgotten that Mr. Wilders is using rather misusing his position and the EU shoulder to fulfill his ill willed agendas to bring enemity between Muslims and Christians. What does he really want???
I would like to conclude on the yesterday’s report by Vatican that Islam has outnumbered the others and have become the most observed religion of the world, may i ask why???
Do both things have any connection??
love and peace for all
April 1st, 2008 at 8:33 am
ata says: “Islam has outnumbered the others and have become the most observed religion of the world, may i ask why???”
Untrue. islam has outnumbered Roman Catholics, i.e. just one branch of Christianity. Christianity still outnumbers Islam.
As for why, Muslims become apostates if they convert, Muslims are born in huge numbers i.e. a child is a Muslim simply because it is born into a Muslim family, Islamic countries - in Africa - are persecuting or slaughtering christians so they have no choice but to convert to Islam. These are all facts and cannot be disputed.
April 1st, 2008 at 8:38 am
Ata, first, can you detail exactly at what points his video is fabricated? If it is fabricated, and none of those things were said or done by Muslims, and those words are not in the Quran, I would believe you. Can you attest, and offer evidence to back up your claims?
In addition, the Pope did NOT say that Muslims outnumbered “the others,” nor that it was the most observed religion in the world. He said that Muslims outnumbered CATHOLICS - If you do not know the difference between Catholics and Christians, please look it up before sharing your ignorance on the matter. A dictionary is a book, but not all books are dictionaries…
If Muslims are NOT violent, may I ask why every time someone says they are, they scream to have that person killed, as their form of protest against being called violent? Only Charles Manson could make sense out of that. Again, if the majority are not like this, then why do they not police their own? Hitler, David Khoresh, and many other self-proclaimed Christians committed horrible sins against others, and it was primarily Christian nations that took them down. Where are the Muslim nations to take down their own extremists? Ommission of action against is equal to condonement of it…
April 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pm
I would like to ask ata if he has read the quran & bu quran I mean the true quran of all true muslims, the Medina quran. If you can get any muslim to tell you the truth ( this I doubt, but if you could ) they would tell you that they do all infact follow the Medina quran. All those who claim that islam is a relgion of peace & the verses they quote all come from the Meccan quran & they all know that as fact. The problem is this, that the Meccan quran has been totally abrogated / superseded by the Medina quran. This book is one evil ansty peice of work, there are 164 verses about terror & killing non believers. Let me quote some for you, maybe you might learn something my friend.
Quran 8:39 – ‘kill non-Muslim men, women and children, until there are no more non-Muslims in this world’
The Quran has everything, which is in the Bible” - This common blatant lie is a joke. The Quran is one book, whereas the Bible comprises 66 books. The Quran has 433 pages, whereas the Bible is of 1,709 pages. The verses in the Bible amount to a voluminous 31,173 against the Quran’s paltry 6,241 verses. The Quran has 114 Sura (chapters) against the Bible’s 1,189 chapters. And this also clearly shows, the complete ignorance of Muslims for the Bible.
The Quran has everything, which is in the Bible” - Fact - the majority of the prophets in the Bible are not (missing) in the Quran. This also shows the Muslims’ complete ignorance of the Bible and the plentiful information missing in the Quran. This is also why in the Quran 2:159 Allah {actually it is Muhammad who was not able to copy it} cursed the Christians for hiding their scriptures (Bible). Since Allah claims he produced the scriptures for the Christians, then why are the majority of prophets in the Bible missing in the Quran? And in Quran 2:136 Allah says what was revealed to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jewish tribes, Moses, Jesus is all in the Quran – it is not. So, Allah is actually the biggest liar to say such a big lie.
The Quran 10:38 confirms and explains the bible” – This is rubbish and a big white lie. Without all the prophets, etc this claim is a stupid joke. In any case, the Christians do not want the Quran to confirm anything for them, as they already know the Bible is the ‘Word of the Lord’ and whoever copies and uses that information is cursed by the one true God in Rev.22: 18-19.
Islam is harmonious” – Shias killing Sunnis, Sunnis killing Shias (inside mosques), Sunnis killing Druze, Sunnis killing Kurds, Hannafi killing Ahmadiyah, the list goes on and on. Is this Islamic harmony invisible?
Islam means unity” – Then why are there more than 200 Islamic Sects ‘blowing’ the heads off each other? If Muslims cannot agree among them, where is Islamic unity?
As for the rest check them out for yourself & do yourself a big favour my friend, learn the facts before you make any comment on any subject.
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:43 am
When u tell us that christiany is a great religion that more peacefully than islam, we should remember that here all the world so many nation leader (as U.S & Holland) that they are a christian & so many thing that they done more worst than terrorist
As they againts foreign country to rich all trey need, all they want……….
April 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Let us see shall we wishdom, now up to now since 9/11 there have been 10827 killed by muslims in terror attacks. Most Muslims did not indulge in terror and violence during the past decades and centuries. Shall we look at some true history about islam & muslims shall we, I will not bore anyone with long draw out info I will try to keep it down to figures.
After Prophet Muhammad’s emigration from Mecca to Medina in 622, the exiling and extermination of 3 major Jewish tribes of Medina by 628, has been described above. In 630, Muhammad marched into Mecca, mercilessly captured, destroyed the most sacred pagan temple of Ka’ba and established the Islamic rule there. The pagan inhabitants were given a choice between death and Islam. To save lives, the pagans had no choice but to accept Islam. On the same day, Khalid ibn Walid’s massacre of the entire Jezima tribe for not accepting Islam has already been discussed. Khalid ibn Walid, upon command of Caliph Abu Bakr, launched the blood-letting wars of the apostasy. In the Muslim campaign of 634, the entire region between Gaza and Caesarea was devastated and four thousand peasants, comprising of Christians, Jews and Samaritans, who were simply defending their lands, were massacred. In 637, the Victorian Muslim army’s march into Jerusalem, with Caliph Omar at the lead, and the accompanying destruction of the synagogues and burning of the churches, desecration of the Crosses and setting in the Dhimmi laws of submission to the Jews and Christians of the Holy Land.
The muslim Arabs took the inhabitants to captivity. In Armenia, the entire population of Euchaita was wiped out. Seventh century Armenian chronicles recount how the Arabs decimated the population of Assyria and forced a number of inhabitants to accept Islam and then wrought havoc in the districts of Daron, southwest of Lake Van. In 642, it was the turn of the town of Dvin to suffer. In 643, the Arabs came back with “extermination, ruin and slavery”. It was the same ghastly spectacle in North Africa, Tripoli was pillaged in 643; Carthrage was razed to the ground and most of its inhabitants were slaughtered. Michael the Syrian describes how the first Omayyad Caliph Muawiya, who took power in 661, sacked and pillaged Cyprus and then established his domination by a “great massacre”. In the capture of Istakhar (Persia), 40,000 Iranians were slaughtered. In the 8th cent Kasim quickly obliged to the divinely ordained command and on his capture of Brahmanabad, he invited the infidel idol-worshipers to accept Islam. On latter’s refusal, he ordered all adult males be beheaded with swords and their women and the children were captured as slaves. Eight thousands, some say 26,000, men were put to the sword. One-fifth of the captured slaves (women and children), which amounted to 20,000, amongst whom, were the daughters of Sind Chiefs along with King Dahir’s severed head.
The stream of captured slaves continued to flow from India to Baghdad ever since Kassim captured Sind and Hajjaj alone is said to have forwarded 60,000 slaves from India, In the sacking of Euphesus in 781, 7,000 Greeks were taken captives and were deported en masse. In the 9th cent hundreds of thousands of people in the so-called “golden age of Islam” – the pagans of Harran had to choose between Islam and death. In the sacking of Thessalonica in 903 CE, 22,000 Christian captives were divided amongst the Arab chieftains or sold into slavery Many many more where murdered by muslims. In the 11th cent Six thousand Jews were massacred in Fez of Morocco in 1033. Hundreds of Jews were killed between 1010 and 1013 near Cordoba and other parts of Muslim Spain and an entire Jewish community of 4000 in Grenada was annihilated in 1066. Mahmud’s army slaughtered 15,000 men in before capturing 500,000 men and women as slaves. This Mahmud also massacred 50,000 Hindus guarding temple and destroyed it. In the attack of Kalinjar in 1202, 50,000 where killed, 1399 against India 100,000 pagan’s where killed. In 1301 In the Chittor attack 30,000 people were massacred in cold blood, in 1381 Afif he killed 180,000 Bengalis in his expedition in Bengal and had erected a Tower of skulls. In the 15th cent At Sivas, 4,000 Christians were buried alive; at Tus, there were 10,000 victims. Historians estimate the number of dead at Saray to be 100,000; at Baghdad 90,000 and at Isfahan 70,000.
In the 19th cent alone in Egypt there are noted to be a total of 180,000 deaths alone. There are many many more figure I can give but it just get boring to read them all. The point here is this, those who live in glass houses should not start throwing stones my friend. Islam over the years since it was started by mo, have killed millions of people in the name of islam. The wars that have been started where Christianity have been involved have been in retaliation to attacks or to the taking of land. Like the crusades, that happened because islam had taken over by force the holy land, so an army was brought to the holy land to take it back. It was islam that took this land first we just took it back from them. Then you have islam trying to take over Europe, so yet again Those in Europe just took back what was there in the first place. So those killed by Christians as you put it, have been killed because they took something that did not belong to them, & the others have been killed in the world wars, so are you going to say that this was christian as well. If you are going to try to use history to make a point get that history right in the first place. I say again islam over the years have killed many many more in cold blood for islam that any christian ever has.
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
i just only laugh see u guys debating bout muslim religion. if u dnt knw nothin just be silent. im not muslim (buddhis)actually but i highly lift the religion tolerance. muslim hv the radical tribe but not all of them a radical muslim. in the truth muslim love peace.
thats why Al quran needs to be translate carefully, if it hv being translate in wrong way it become like “fitna” movie.
1 more time every religion have the fundamentalis radical religion (muslim, jew, chirstian, budhis, hindusm) just the fundamentalis are hv wrong thought n belivef. just not 2 easy being provoked by people whose want every religion in war.
and one thing, try to read the quran or the others religion holy book. u could get that every religion want peace and forbid the war.
be peace all
April 2nd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Bond: have you just landed from another planet? If not then where are you coming from if you are NOT a muslim.
It is you that should read the koran, we that debate it are familiar with all the correctly translated parts of the koran that are used by the Jihadists to further their cause of killing.
Show me one shred of evidence from history or the present times that Muslims love peace and I can show you 100 that prove otherwise.
Yes every religion has it’s fundamentalists but only the muslim fundamentalist have declared war on the west.
There are none so blind as those that will not see.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 am
All of you are Totally Blinds. i’m an INDONESIAN Moslem. Allahu Akbar.
None sense debates. Guys, I repeat, if u dnt knw nothin just be silent.
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:39 am
Real Moslem:
Muslims in Indonesia; murdering the infidels, teachers and destroying churches and ethnic homes and businesses. Raping and attacking Christians.
No, Real Moslem, we don’t want the religion of hate to take over our country and perhaps we should do to muslims what muslims in your country have done to christians. Until then we will continue to debate and be aware of the issues involved.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:26 am
islam not like this
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
you are stupid and blind people now christian killing muslim in iraq cant you see there is no freedom in the west theres only bad commitee
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 am
No says:
“you are stupid and blind people now christian killing muslim in iraq cant you see there is no freedom in the west theres only bad commitee”
Actually YOU are STUPID and BLIND, more Muslims kill MUslims in Iraq than Americans. Have you conveniently forgotten the FACTS. Muslim suicide bombers every week or every day have killed tens of thousands of Muslims over the last 5 years.
Seems that people like you are responsible.
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:24 am
It just goes to show that these muslims who have made comments on this thread are brainwashed. It is so obvious they are brainwashed, otherwise they would not be ignoring absolute facts, evidence, proof of what islam is. What islam does, what muslims have & doing to each other. Those in any country that have studied islam have shown beyond any doubt that islam is not nor ever could be true.
They have shown that all that is in the quran is false, the so called miracles, all proven false. The so called science spoken by there god, false & proven to be false over & over again. The astronomy, false, Astrology, false, History, False, Biology false. Every single subject has been proven to be false by world class top scholars & still muslims try to claim it all to be true. That shows that they must be brainwashed there can be no other reason for this kind of mentality. It is so stupid its like someone holding up there right hand & saying this is a right hand, but a muslim showing them a picture in the quran saying that his is in fact a foot. Then arguing till there last breath that it is a foot, its that stupid.
What is wrong with you lot, open your eyes, open your minds to the truth. That religion is false, it is not true, it is evil to its very core & has been proven to be so. There is no one here that is stupid for seeing the truth behind islam. We see day in day out evil all round the world being committed by muslims & these atrocities are not just committed against non muslims. They are also lots of them being committed against muslims themselves, you lot can not even live in peace with one another never mind anyone else. Just open your eyes to the truth & stop believing what your imams tell you as they are lying to you all with every word that comes from there mouths.
April 5th, 2008 at 3:52 am
Hi Ray!
Thanks for the link, in fact had been looking for it. I read some comments above, should any reader of your wants to know the ‘real meaning’ of Quran and what ‘Hadith’ teaches…let me know…shall post the link to him/her.
Cheers,
Keep it up.
Prudent Indian.
April 5th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Hi All.
If anyone want to read some information on islam, here are some links for you all to see & use. These are all facts about islam this is the truth about this evil nasty cult of death. Hope you all find them as interesting as I did.
Muslims crying about deprivation of Civil Liberties and Human Rights is like a Jackal crying “Wolf”
Iran preparing to launch an Electro-Magnetic Pulse Nuclear war
The Nazis of Yesterday and the Qazis and Ghazis of today!
Hitler and Khamenei - The two faces of Evil
Why do Arabs discriminate against other Muslims from the Ummah - Reason: Muslims are thugs. As they fight with others to commit thuggery, they also fight amongst themselves while sharing the spoils of their thuggery.
Are Muslims Alienated everywhere as any civilized lifestyle is alien for them?
Understanding Islamic Terrorism to enable us to destroy it once and forever
The real Muslim mind revealed by an Ex-Muslim
Putin’s romance with Palestinians, Iranians and Syrians - Shades of Hitler-Stalin (Ribbentrop-Molotov) Pact of 1939?
We all know the truth about this cult of death, as others have said also there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. If they follow the teachings of mohammad then they have to follow & agree with what there terrorist brothers are doing in the name of islam. I hope you enjoy these articles I have given you the links to.
April 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Very detailed research there Ray. The common statement from Muslims is that not all Muslims are aggressive or violent. Then how come they are not able to reign in their moderate compadres?
That is because the violent group has reached a critical mass. As Bond said in his statement above, each religion has got a radical minority. But Minority in its absolute sense is less than 50%. for islam its probably close to that number. You have groups of people preaching 10th century cultures at the 21st century and the peaceful Muslims will not do anything to control them?
Talk about being responsible about your religion. When was the last time anyone heard of peaceful Muslims around the world talking to Saudi Arabia or Iran to control their terrorist minions? Never.
Do you know why? Its because they are just biding their time until they get control, then it will be a whole new freak show.
April 6th, 2008 at 7:07 am
I relly feel sorry for what I read .. look it is true that I am a muslem but do I wish to kill a none muslem ? do I heat all non muslems ? do you think that I am a killer ? come on friends pleas let us be brothers let us be a human . I am 55 now I have worked with hundreds of non muslims they were good to me so I was .
April 6th, 2008 at 11:09 am
First of all I am sorry if this may be a little to long, but I think it needs to be to point out some facts. nabeel can I ask you some questions then if you say that you do not agree with what other muslims are doing to people in the west in the name of islam. You say you are muslim, that being the case that means you must agree with all that is in the quran, that is right yes, if not you are against allah. So that being the case how about this verse: 3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah. I have been told that this also means dealing with them, working with them, speaking with them. This is what you quran says, if you say that you do in fact follow the Meccan teachings you are then going against what mohammad said & what allah says.
What about these verses, 8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers.
9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavor. I have been told that this means not to obey the laws of any land a muslim lives in if that land is not muslim.
47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.
How about a few more verses in the quran, now I know that one thing that muslims say is that they are not against any religion & that is shown in the quran by this verse, there is no compulsion in religion. But that verse is in the Meccan quran & that quran was totally abrogated by mohammad. Now what it says in the new Medina quran & by new I mean the one mohammad wrote 9 years after he started writing the Meccan quran & then abrogated it. What about these verses, 3:85, If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).
8:39, And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and everywhere. Both these verses show that anyone who does not worship allah & so islam is to be killed or terrorized until they either worship allah or pay homage to him or is killed. Again only islam is acceptable verse 3:85 , Torment to Non-believers-> 4:56. No friends with Jews, Christians-> 5:51, No friends with non believers->4:114 3:28. What about No friends with parents/siblings if not believers-> 9:23, or Fight non-believers-> 9:123 or Kill non-believers-> 4:89. What about these, Forcing Christians and Jews to pay tax-> 9:29, Severe Punishment for non-believers-> 22:19-22 72:23 98:6. Punishing non-believers of Hereafter-> 17:10.
What about for muslims who do not agree with what the quran says about the verses I have just posted, how about these:Threat of punishment for not going to war-> 9:38-39 48:16 .
What about the proven Historical errors in the quran & as I say these are all proven to be errors 100% errors. How about an easy one to start, Mary Jesus mother. In the quran it claims Mary is the Mother of Moses & Aaron IE: Oh, sister of Aaron (the prophet). And she was an offspring of some of those who were with him who belonged to the same class of brotherhood. It was also said that she was one of Aaron’s descendants though there were a thousand years between them. It was said too, that he (Aaron) was a righteous or a wicked man who lived during their time (time of Mary). They likened her to him to ridicule her or to insult her.”
Quran claims that Haman was pharaoh’s prime minister even though Haman lived in Babylon one thousand years later? Yet the Quran says so. The Quran says that the one who picked Moses from the river was not his sister but his mother (28:6-8), and that a Samaritan was the one who molded the golden calf for the children of Israel and misguided them, and the golden calf was lowing (refer to chapter 20:85-88) though it is well-known that Samaria was not in existence at that time. The Samaritans came after the Babylonian exile. How could one of them have made the golden calf for the people of Israel?
The Quran claims (Chapter 2:125-127) that Abraham and Ishmael, his son, are the ones who built The Kaba in Mecca in Saudi Arabia. The late Dr. Taha Husayn (the most famous professor of Arabic literature in Egypt) acknowledges that the information recorded in the Quran pertaining to the construction of Kaba at the hand of Abraham and Ishmael is not historically correct. How about these contradictions in the quran: Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, “If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss,” which is a severe factual error in the Quran as well as contradicting the teaching of the Quran in a number of other verses.
Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?. The Quran forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5]. Does Allah’s day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? — According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. — There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also “It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death.” [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455]. What about angels as protectors, “NO protector besides Allah” [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: “We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter.” And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].
I could go on & on sir as you well know, so can you please answer these things for me. If you are a muslim & you disagree with what is being done by your own religion, then why do you not make your voice heard. Why do you & others like you keep quiet about these things. If you do not agree with what is being done in the name of islam then why the silence. As I have already said if you claim you follow the Meccan quran, then you are not doing as allah told you & so you are not a true muslim. As the Meccan quran has been abrogated by mohammad & so allah. We in any of these blogs are not against any person, be they black white pink blue purple or all of them combined. We speak against the evil that is islam please see that. I would also ask you to study that book for yourself, all these errors are in that book, the evidence is there for all to see. So please open your eyes to the truth & the facts for your own sake.
April 6th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
dear truthseaker
for the second time I say I am a muslem and nothing in the quran force me to kill or even to hate non muslems .
all what you mention in your reply about fighting non beleivers was told to the prophet Mohamad 1400 years ago
we are now dealing, working, playing and eating with all of you
you said that I must agree to all that we hear told in the quran yes i agree but I want you to believe that nothing nothing at all force us now to kill or hate non muslems
once again I hope that one day we all will live together in peace without any hateness in the end we all are human we share the same place to live .
thank you again and again
nabeel
April 6th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
truthseeker:
we are thinking the same. Just as you were writing the comment I was writing a post based on what nabeel had said. You have the sayings from the koran closer to hand than me. Keep up with the comments and I will have a reference library of koran quotes. Good work.
April 6th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
nabeel, please comment on my new posting that has been inspired by you, “some muslims don’t want to kill us”
April 6th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
nabeel said:
“once again I hope that one day we all will live togather in peace without any hateness in the end we all are human we share the same place to live .”
Do you mean when the world is ruled by Islam? I can tell you we will fight to the death to defeat that proposition.
April 6th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Hi nabeel.
Yes its nice that you have answered & I thank you for that. But you did not answer really any of my questions at all, you just stated what you yourself are doing. I asked why do you & all other muslims that do not agree with what these people are doing in the name of islam. I asked why do you not make your voices heard, why do you all keep quiet & hide away in your houses. There is proof after proof that over 70% of mosques in this country alone teach what they terrorists say. They back the terrorists, they sell dvd’s about them. Glorifying them, they collect money to be sent to buy them new clothes, guns, weapons, food, ammunition. But still you are all silent, why? Why do non of you say anything, why do you all still give to these people, why do you all allow your mosques to teach this evil.
Your imams teach that what the quran said then, still applies now. So you are one muslim on this site saying what you are. Are you as well versed in the quran as all these imams, these are your own religious teaches that are teaching this stuff but you are saying that you do not agree with the terrorists. But you imams are all saying that what these terrorist are doing is what allah wants & tells you all to do. I am sorry sir but what you have said is not nor could ever be true. You yourself may well believe what you are saying but deep in your heart you know what I have just said is the truth. Imams are being taught over in Saudi Arabia, paid for by the Saudi Royal Family as I am sure you are more than aware of. All of these imams are being taught to teach that what the quran said still hold now to this day until all non muslims are under the rule of islam. That is what it all boils down to, all people’s, countries where ever they are. Are all under the rule of islam & until that is the case islam & all muslims will be told that they have to fight.
You know what the quran says sir, we can read just as well as you can & no it does not need any special person to be able to understand the quran. Anyone can pick that book up & read it & understand what it is all about. As I said in my other post, muslims claim that you are a religion of peace, but you can not ever live in peace with each other, never mind non muslims. I also told you about all the errors in the quran that have been proven 100% to be true, though you did not even mention that bit. I am not trying to destroy your faith sir, I am trying to show you the facts, you are being lied to by your imams, you are being royally conned big time. All quranic verses that are quoted by muslims are all from the Meccan quran, I am sure you are well aware of that. There are no such verses in the Medina quran again I am sure you are well aware of that. I would love like every other person on this blog & lots of others as well. That we could all be able to live together in peace, with no problems, no racial problem. No matter what colour we all may well be, black, white, pink, blue, indigo even. It matters not, we are all men no matter what colour we are, we are all men & that is all that matters. But ideologies like that of islam must stay where they came from in the past & by that the distant past. There are many many reasons why islam should be left in the past, I have given you many many quotes from that book IE: the Medina quran, that shows this fact.
The many errors in the quran proven at that, the human right issues. The way women are treated as second class citizens. All other evils that are in that book sir & all proven to be so, slavery still being practiced in African by muslims every day, beheading, limbs being chopped off. Women being worth less than the dirt of the ground. I will finish with a couple more points sir, like Quran 9:44 “Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day do not ask for an exemption from fighting with your goods and persons. And Allah knows well those who do their duty.” Now this quote alone shows that this means until islam has taken over the whole world & so does not apply to what happened in the past sir. Now here is another reason why what is happening within islam shows it still means the same today as it did in the days of mohammad, Muslims are expecting an Islamic messiah, called the 12th Imam or the Imam Mahdi or the Hidden Imam, to return to earth and establish Allah’s kingdom, and it is thought that Jesus will accompany him. The Imam Mahdi, believed by Shiites to have disappeared as a child in A.D. 941, is supposed to return and reign on earth for seven years before bringing about a final judgment and the end of the world. Lets finish now with 2:193 where Allah orders the Muslims to fight the unbelievers until no other religion is left other than Islam. Does that sound like something that is only in the past, that sounds to me like something that is ongoing & will continue to be ongoing until this happens don’t you sir.
April 6th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Hi Ray.
If you want some very good links to quranic quotes, as I did before I will post some links for you. Just give me a shout if that is what you would like. I must admit I have been studying this for a number of years now & I have hundreds of them.
Keep up the good work
Ts
April 7th, 2008 at 6:16 am
Hi truthseaker.
thank you for your polit way of talking to others
first of all I would like to tell you that waht stoped me than answring your quistions is that your message is to long to consitrate on it for some one like me I mean my English is not so strong to understand every thing I read .. but I will answer you now rof all your questions and any one would ask any question about Islam I will be happy to answer but try to write in short easy way
you asked first whay don’t we make our voice hard to stop these people who killes in the name of islam ? and you think we are keeping quite and hiding away in our houses .
No sir in this part I am sure that you are wrong how do you know that we are quite ? who told you that we are hiding ? no sir we dont agree with waht the terrorests do in the name of islam ‘ we don’t like our cheldrins to grow up waching these attakes one thing I want you and the others know . do you have any idea about the populatin of muslams around the world ? muslems are 1.5 belion ( 20% ) of the world wide population do you think all of us are perfct do you think that all muslims are good ? no sir - just like other comunity we have good and bad people . you said there is proofs that over 70% of mosqus teach what the terrorists say they back them and sell dvd about them .. so on so on can you tell us one proof only . only one proof that what you maition is right . sir as I said pefor I am not young Iam old enough to relise what is good and what is bad I live in arab - muslem world traviling bwtween many cities and vellages and every day I enter the mosqu five times praying behaind the Emam but it is not true what wou said about mosque and emam . it is completly wrong . mosque are open any one can go inside them . any person can see and wach waht happens inside mosques . beleive me dear truthseaker you are mestaken . you seid our Imams teach us what the quran said but in an other part you said ( we can read the quran just as well as you can ) it is funny . how do I the arabic man needs some one to teach me the quraan since you the western eurepin guy dont need any explations for the quraan and you are able to understand it well ( that what you said) I think you will never understand Islam at the right way unless you deal dirictly with some of its followers . we / I like your way of living and making things the western countries are ahead of us becuse they are industrial community this is what i like on the west .it is true that we are not democratic sestems but what Islam has to do with this issue … when you talke about human right issue don’t talke about islam it self but talke about our politcal sestems i.
at the end I want to say for all of you : THE QURAN WAS ISSUED TO PROPHET MOHAMAD 1400 YEARS A GO it was the time of islamic message to destrebute. that period needs fights to tell the peole about the new relegion . people was free eather to inter to islam or to keep there own relegion . this is our hestory we know it well more than any others read the history of aslam country. my last statment is this : I AM NABEEL WHO IS 55 YEARS OLD A MUSLEM LIVS IN THE HEART OF ARAB-MUSLEM WORLD I CLEARLY ANNOUNCE THAT I NEVER BEEN ASKED TO HEAT OR KELL NONMUSLEMS sinc all my life please belive me belive me
April 7th, 2008 at 10:55 am
nabeel, I thank you for your reply. You asked me to show you one proof about what is going on in the mosques that prove what I said was true. So ok I will show you that one proof, thought I can assure you that I can show you plenty more that this. Please check out these links :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuCLC8kjWCI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5t5EqWX92k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMztM0Z7BYE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4Zv3BUmwqs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvjvNScmTQA
Now this set of films show what is going on in the mosques in the UK, it was filmed in secrete. So everyone acted as they would normally do & so nothing was staged. As you can see from these films Wahabbism is being taught in the majority of the UK mosques. That brand of islam is taught & followed in Saudi Arabia & that is where most if not all of the Imams that teach in the UK are taught. So that point made & proven sir, as I said I can give you many many more proofs, evidence, facts that all back up what I have said here.
You say that we do not know that you are not saying anything about these terrorists & we are not trying to stop what is happening. But please you tell me what we are to think & believe. A terrorist attack happens somewhere in the world, it is shown on TV. Then what is also shown are muslims in Iran, dancing in the streets, handing out candy, cakes, presents all shouting allah akbar. The Tv shows us the same thing happening in every other country in the Middle East, every other country sir. Plus they show muslims in the UK doing the same, in the USA, doing the same, in France, doing the same, do you want me to go on sir. As you can see we are shown these things on TV day in & day out, coming from every muslim country in the world & even from muslims in other countries & you try to tell me its not the truth. If this was shown in a couple of countries, I would then question if it was said it was happening in all muslim countries, but it is shown to be happening in all muslim countries sir.
Again you say that all that is in the quran about terror, fighting, slavery, the way women are treated is in the past. But that is not what is taught in the mosques & by imams, as I said in my last post, the quran clearly states that all muslims are to fight until the whole of the world is under the rule of islam, that has not yet happened so how can it only refer to the past sir, that quote still holds true now as islam has not achieve that goal yet. The quran also states about the 12th Imam or the Imam Mahdi or the Hidden Imam, to return to earth and establish Allah’s kingdom. Again this has not yet happened so how can you claim that all these quotes in the quran are for the past & do not apply to the people’s of today. Lets take women in islam, daily all over the world there are hundreds of women killed in so called Honer killings & all because they did something that the men did not like, is that any way to treat a animal never mind a woman. Sir you say that you are not a young person & so you have a maturity of age, well neither am I sir, I am also half century & know what I am saying. You say about understanding the quran, sir that is a book like any other book. Anyone who reads it can understand it, one thing that really amuses me, is that most if not all muslims claim that a person alone can not understand the quran. They need a imam or religious teachers, but not any other book in this whole world needs that same treatment. The Bible, anyone can pick it up & read it & understand it, The Hindu holy book is the same, the Buddhist’s holy book. Lets face it any book can be read by anyone & understood, but only muslims claim that you need a muslim religious teachers & you have to be a muslim to understand that book. I am sorry sir but that statement does not hold any water at all.
You also made comment about the length of my posts, well again to make the points I am trying to make I have to write them down & so my posts may be a little on the big side. But that is only because I am posting the facts & answering points made by others sir. I will finish with one more point you made about & I quote you on this: mosque are open any one can go inside them . any person can see and watch what happens inside mosques. So we go once again to the quran sir : 9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque. This in yet another quote from your quran & as we can see it clearly states that unbelievers should not be aloud in a mosque under any circumstances. Sir a lot of what you have said in these posts, you are taking large parts out of the quran & saying that they do not any longer mean anything in this day & age. So you are taking out of the quran the bits you like & you are ignoring the bits you do not like. The quran is meant to be the standard for muslims from the day it was written for all time.
Once again thank you for answering, of & by the way I do get my information for a lot of ex muslims & these ex muslims are all 40 plus & some where trained as imams sir.
April 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Not all indonesian are moeslem. I’m indonesian, and I’m a christian. please SBY, you watch ‘ayat-ayat cinta’ that trully an islamisation movie, but you denny to let your people know the truth about fitna. shame on you as my president.
April 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
there is a very old saying “two wrongs do not make right” I think you should all take note of it.may the God of your choice be with you.
April 9th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Can I please ask oldgit to elaborate on what he has said & to explain why he has said it. If it is each to there own god, if that is what he means. He is so far of the reason that most are against islam its unreal. The points being made here against islam is for the evils of islam. The evils that are within islam. That religion calls themselves the a religion of peace yet kills thousands of people every year, be it by terrorism, in fighting with each other, slavery, honor killings & many many other wonderful ways. Then lets look at the quran, this is one of the most evil books known to man. When you read it & I am sure that by making the comment you have. You have in fact read that book, but what book have you read. The Meccan quran or the Medina quran, though I have to tell you that the Meccan quran has been abrogated by the Medina quran so not one verse that is in the Meccan quran is of any use as they have been superseded, but seeing that you have read that book or those books you know about that fact. Each thing in the real quran has been proven to be wrong.
Science all wrong, Archeology wrong, history wrong, astronomy wrong, every other area in that book has been proven over & over again by some of the worlds top scholars to be wrong. So you are saying that each to there own god of choice. so sir in what way do you mean your comment, in the way of the quran against any other religion, well that can not be right as I have just said all in the quran has been proven to be wrong, but that is not the case in other religious books. What about in morals, but when you get child sex women worth less than the dirt of the ground adulterous women to be stoned but the men to be given a second chance, so it can not be that then, I can quote many many more evil errors in that book sir. Please sir tell us in what way you mean your comment.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:17 am
I find all religions have the power to be evil.I think the World would be a safer place if we could get rid of all Religions.When I said the God of your choice be with you,I was implying I have no faith in any God.But if you do keep it to yourself, dont use it to stir things up.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Salam all..i first want to say that i am muslim and that me have always lived and learned on islam rules and lessons and that have not make me any different, lower or higher than any other human in the world..in the contrary, islam insist of equality between religions and races and to respect them..ive read some of the notes above about islam doesnt not believe in equality between man and woman..thats somehow true but its only because islam consider the nature that god created man different than woman but you see that all rules applies for both genders and we as muslim we know its part of god wisdom..
another note was talking about Quran errors, what error?? the video takes part or some lines from the holy quran and ignores the relevant story behind it..like any other text, if you take just part of it, read it and try to understand it you will come in different conclusion than the real meant one..reading just few lines from quran and not the whole chapter or sura as we call it ..it changes the context and the concepts..
the video points to septemeber 11 event, we as muslims also despise such act and most of us felt sorry about it..non muslim people think its islam fault that people came like that and did what the did..ignoring the fact that nonmuslim people also still killing and torturing muslim people in Iraq and palastine..what? they deserve it? arent they human too?
April 10th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Ah here we go again, please Mariam lets look at some of the error within the quran shall we, now these are but a few & to put the lot down would take me a long time to type out, so we will just take a few & please do not say that these are taken out of context as they are clearly not. Numerical contradictions. There are many numerical contradictions in the Quran. Can God make so much error in doing simple calculations?
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days. Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days. Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days. The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated- Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS… Quran 41: 12 So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and … Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days. Similar mistakes you can see in the verse: Quran 4: 11 - 12, and Quran 4: 176 in inheritance law. In these verses one can see the total property after adding all distributed parties adds up more than the available property, i.e., totals become more than 1 which are: 1.125 and 1.25. How come ? A gross mathematical errors, is not it ?
Allah’s Days Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years?
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your reckoning, Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years. So, which one is it? Is the day of Allah equal to 1,000 earth years or 50,000 earth years?
Creation of the Heaven and Earth
Which one was created first? As you will see in the verses below, Allah at one time says that Earth was created first and another time he says that the Heaven was created first. Quran 2: 29 It is He who hath created for you all things that are on Earth; THEN He turned to the Heaven and made them into seven firmaments (Skies)…. Quran 79: 27 - 30 Are you the harder to create, or is the heaven that He built? He raised the height thereof and ordered it; and He has made dark the night thereof, and He brought forth the morning thereof. And after that, He spread (flattened) the earth Now, does it match modern science? Do you believe that, Earth was created first, after that, God created Heaven? Modern science tells us that? Or How come SEVEN firmaments (layers)? Modern science tells us that, actually there is no such thing Sky is no “roof” over us. It is only a space with no known boundary at all. These verses simply reinforce the ancient idea of ROOF over us which is called SKY, is it not so? How funny!
Sun-set and Sun-rise
Koran teaches us that the Sun sets in a muddy spring: Quran 18: 86 Till, when he (the traveller Zul-qarnain) reached the setting-place of the Sun, he found it going down into a muddy spring… Quran 18: 90 Till, when he reached the rising-place of the Sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had appointed no shelter from it. Serious scientific errors here! Firstly, it is scientifically accepted fact that, the Sun never go down in a muddy spring. Secondly, this seems to presuppose a FLAT Earth, otherwise how can there be an extreme point in the West or in the East? A sunrise there would be basically just the same as at any other place on this earth, at land or sea. It would still look as if it is setting “far away”. It does say, that he reached THE PLACE where the Sun sets and in his second Journey the place where it rises. A resting place for Sun!?
Quran 36: 38 And the sun runneth on unto a resting place for him. That is the measuring of the Mighty, the Wise.
Quran 36: 39 And for the moon We have appointed mansions till she return like an old shrivelled palm leaf.
Quran 36: 40 It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit. Allah is indeed a big scientist. Where is sun and where is moon situated? Can anybody tell me how they could collide/meet/overtake each other? Are the sun and the moon neighbors to each other? I have the answer for this error: Ancient Allah saw (bare eye observations) sun and moon traveling from east to west seemingly in the same Sky area or same path, without colliding, causing day and night etc. Allah hardly could imagine that all these phenomena are simply due to Earth’s rotation and NOT by Sun’s rotation. Sun is stationary for Earth, because earth is stuck in the sun’s Gravity, like we are stuck in earth’s gravity. Allah never says any where in the whole Quran that, EARTH ROTATES. Perhaps Allah could not feel earth’s rotation.
A resting place for sun WAS CONFIRMED BY HADITHS?
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 421
Sahih Bukhari Hadiths: Abzur Ghifari (ra) narrated: one day Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) asked me, “Abzar do you know after setting where does Sun go?” I replied, I do not know, only Allah’s apostle can say better. Then Prophet (SA) replied, “After setting, the sun remains prostrated under Allah’s Aro’sh and waits for Allah’s command for rising again in the East. Day will come when sun will not get permission to rise again and Qeyamot will fall upon Earth”. Can anybody tell me what is it? It was the superstitious belief of ancient people reflected in the Quran and Hadiths by Allah. A 10-year-old boy would not tell such fairy tale story today.
Why Allah Created Stars!
Quran gives us further scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils: Quran 67: 5 And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans… Quran 37: 6-8 We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with beauty (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side. Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Once again we find how Allah was high on his superstitious weirdness. Is Sky/Heaven A ROOF or Canopy Over the Earth? Quran 21: 32 And We have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents. Quran 31: 10 He hath created the heavens (Skies) without supports (pillars) that ye can see, and hath cast into the earth firm Mountains/Hills, so that it quake not with you; and He hath dispersed… Quran 2: 22: Who has made the earth your couch, And the heavens (Sky) your canopy. Modern science tells us- whole thing around the earth is space and there is no boundary even if we go Billions of light years away in all directions. Questions are: When there is no sky above us then how in the world, it needs pillars for support? Do we really have a roof above us? Is there a canopy above the Earth? Is there anything called above or beneath us? Are mountains there to prevent Earth from shaking? Give me a break! Once again Allah considered sky as roof over the Earth, which will broke/shattered during dooms day, Quran 78: 19 And the heavens (sky) Shall be broken (opened) as if there were doors opens… Quran 82: 1 When the Sky is cleft asunder, Quran 69: 16 And the sky will be Rent asunder, for it will That day be flimsy (soft), Quran 81: 2 When the stars fall, losing their luster.
Yousuf Ali comments in his Tafsir: beautiful blue-sky overhead (which we take for granted in sunshine) will be shattered to pieces. Modern science tells us that there is no such thing as roof/sky or any canopy over the Earth; rather all around Earth is a limitless space. Only Allah knows what will break/shatter or will get soft/flimsy or how doors will open , there is no walls, where from doors will come? In some Ayats Allah threatened kafirs by saying: “I (Allah) will throw broken pieces of sky over your head.” Does Sun Rotate Around the Earth?
Quran 31: 29 Seest thou not that Allah merges Night into Day and He merges Day into Night; That He has subjected the sun and moon (to His law), each running its course for a term (time) appointed. Quran 21: 33 It is He who created The Night and Day, And the Sun and Moon; each of them Swim (float) along in its own course. Ayats mentioned above could be found over and over again and again almost in every pages of Quran. Because, Allah standing in the open Arab desert saw very well that, every morning SUN is rising from the East and gradually (appointed time or fixed time) setting to the West, and as a result, day and night follows. Allah truly mentioned this wrong knowledge (sun moving) of pre-historic people. Every time Allah mentioned Sun & Moon, He mentioned day & night, as if it is due to sun’s movement day and night follows. But surprisingly, all the hypocrite Mullahs giving false credit to Allah by saying: look Quran told about sun’s movement 1400 years ago which modern science only found out now. In real world, sun takes 225 millions of years to make just one complete circle through the solar Universe. And obviously this movement of sun has nothing to do with DAY & NIGHT of the earth. Actually, Sun is stationary in relation to the Earth, because the Earth is stuck to the giant gravitation force of the Sun, and the Earth also moves along with the Sun wherever it goes, just the way we are stuck to the Earth’s gravitation force and do not feel its movement at all. Why then, Allah was telling the Sun’s movement again and again. I have already mentioned above, why Allah was hysteric about the Sun’s movements. Now dishonest Mullahs are claiming science here. I wonder, why Allah has to mentioned about the Sun’s 225 millions year journey (which is even unimaginable to mankind) to tell about day and night? What relation Sun’s movement has with the day and night?
Does Earth Spread Out Like Carpet (flat)?
Quran 15: 19 And the earth We have spread out (like a carpet); set thereon Mountains firm and immovable; Quran 78: 6-7 Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, And the mountains as pegs (anchor)? Allah was sure that earth is flat like a carpet and mountains are there to anchor the earth so that earth does not shake with us. Allah is really merciful scientist. Is Man Created From Clotted Blood?
Quran-23:14: Then fashioned We the drop (semen) a CLOT OF CONGEALED BLOOD then fashioned We the Clot a little lump (foetus), fashioned We the little lump into bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators. ( Bengali translated Quran said: “Zamaa’t Raokto theeke Manoosh banieesi” And this Ayat has been repeated again and again throughout the Quran ) Quran-75:38: Then he becomes a CLOT; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned… Quran 96: 2 Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood There are serious scientific problems here: Blood clot cannot grow into anything. This idea also came from the Greek. Aristotle erroneously believed that, humans are originated from the action of male semen upon female menstrual blood, which is absolutely an incorrect assumption. Quran’s assertion on Clot (alaqa) is completely wrong about human development, since there is absolutely no stage during which the embryo consists of a clot. The only situation in which an embryo might appear like a clot is during a miscarriage, in which case the clotted blood that is seen to emerge (much of which comes from mother) is solidified and by definition no longer alive. Therefore, if ever an embryo appeared to look like a clot it would never develop any further into a human; it would be a dead mass of bloody miscarrying flesh. Since Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had some thirteen wives it is entirely possible that he would be very familiar with miscarriages. Modern science tells us that, the formation of human embryo is a seamless continuation from conception to birth; hence there are no hard- and- fast boundaries of stages as Quran describes. Quran describes 4 stages, which matches exactly with Galenic description of development of human embryo (which was proved wrong by modern science).
Creation of bones and clothing of bones with flesh: According to modern embryologists including Prof. Moore, the tissue from which bone originates, known as mesoderm, is the same tissue as that from which muscle (flesh) develops. Thus bone and muscles begin to develop simultaneously, rather than sequentially (as the Quran is telling us). Moreover, most of the muscle tissue that we humans have is laid down before birth, but bones continue to develop and calcify (strengthen with calcium) right into one’s teenage years. So it would be more accurate if the Quran had said that muscles started to develop at the same time as bones, but completed their development earlier. The idea that bones are clothed with flesh is not only scientifically completely wrong/false, but was directly copied from the ancient Greek doctor Galen’s hypothesis. Also, the idea of saying: “made into bones and clothed the bones with muscle” came from the technique of making animal statue out of rod and cement or mud. People usually make the skeleton (out of rod or stick) first and, then cover it up with cement or mud. This is scarcely a scientific description of embryonic development. It is rather a description of an unlettered man. Is Religion Compulsive Or Is It Not? Quran 02: 256 There is no Compulsion in religion…. OR Quran 9: 29 Fight those who do not profess the true faith(Islam) till they pay the polltax (jiziya) with the hand of humility. Quran 9: 5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolators wherever ye find them and take them captive, and besiege them and prepare for them each ambush…. Quran 47: 4 When you meet the unbelievers in the Jihad strike off their heads…. Quran 2: 191 And slay (kill) them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out such is the reward of those who suppress faith. Quran 8: 65 O Apostle ! rouse the believers to the fight of….unbelievers. Very often apologetics claim that, Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion. Yet punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty. In very many Ayats Allah claimed that, He has given this Quran in the easy and clear language so that, it will not be difficult to understand by the ordinary Arabs.
Quran 44: 58 Verily, We have made This Quran easy in the tongue, in order that they may give heed. No matter which translated Quran we read, the Quranic materials remain the same to us and every sentence is self explanatory and it does not take a rocket scientist to comprehend what is the message Allah wanted to transmit for Arabs. Yet, bigot Mullahs will always blame translators for Quranic contradictions/errors/inconsistencies etc. and will try to find lame excuses to cover up Allah’s ignorance.
As I have said these are but a few errors in that holy book of yours. I have just shown here beyond any doubts that there are ideed major errors in that book. No matter how many times any muslim may deny these facts, they are indeed facts, proven facts.
April 11th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Ah well it seem we have another hit & run muslim. They come on a blog, try to make there remarks / comments to prove we are all wrong. Then they go, never to read the replies, never to answer any comments. Oh what wonderful people these muslims are, brainwashed, twisted, baffled & confused.
Keep on doing the great work you are Ray.
Ts
April 12th, 2008 at 5:38 am
hi truthseaker
you are still hunting and searching in the holly quraan about any thing dosenot come to your own mind as a part of a holly book
look mr truthseaker .. why dont we just respect all religions I respect all holly books so you must also respect opur holly quraan and stop hunting on it looking for some words or sentencess that ask muslems to kill non muslaems
sir : no one now want to kill any one
i will tell you what your prplem is
you are reading the translation of quraan since to under stand the real meaning of quraan you must read the Tfseer
one last thing I want you and all readers to recognise and believ that it is safer and nicer if we live in peac with no one kill others just for there religions
dear truthseaker .. in the 2nd world ware if you remember more than 55 milion wear killed in just 5 years
what do you call this do you call it a democratic community do you think it was something good for the human beeing
pleas truth seaker stop hunting in the holly quraan and stop telling others about what you dont believe in all what I ask you is just to show a littele respect to the religion of more than one ond a half belion
and remmember one thing
in every sevelization there must be some black parts .. you by keep talking about our holly book unrespictly will force us to search and hunting and publish all what we knew and will know about the black parts in the weastern history
finaly thank you all dear readers and thank you mariam for showing good points
April 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am
nabeel, we are all well aware of our own histories sir, what happened in both World Wars. How many people where killed in them ( oh by the way, knowing these things, did you know that islam fought on the side of the Nazi’s ) we know all our wars sir, so if you all wish to tell us about them go ahead sir, as I said we are all more than aware of our own wars & heritage. As for me hunting the quran & not understanding it, no sir I understand it very very well as I have studied it for a great number of years. I have not just read one translation I have read many & they all point to the same thing. Nabeel you can try to claim that islam does not say or mean these things that are in the quran, that they are referring to other things & that we have all got the meanings wrong. But sir we have not got them wrong at all, I have shown you & even given you proof, evidence of this fact.
I have also given you proof of the errors within the quran, the errors in science, history, Astronomy, Astrology, Geology, Archeology & all other area’s in the known sciences of the world. I can & will give you many more proofs & evidences if you so with though I am sure you would not even read them or check them out. I sir have given you facts, proofs, evidences, you on the other hand have given me to prove your point, what you think & believe the quran says & what islam means. That sir is quite one sided don’t you think, for me to give face & proof & evidence, then for you to give me what you believe & then you expect me to accept what you have said. If you want to prove to me & all others on this blog that what you say is true about islam. Then sir give us some proof, evidence, facts to back up what you are saying. By this I mean evidence from outside islam, facts shown by scholars proven world renowned scientists, professors, archaeologists, Geologists. That is the kind of evidence I have given you sir, so if you want to show us that what we have said is wrong. Then please have the courtesy to do that same thing for us, show us or give us that same evidence to prove your point.
Let me give you the translations I use: USC-MSA quranic translations, islamicity.com, Said Abu Ala’ Maududi translation, Dr. Muhsin Khan and Dr. Hilali interpretation, Quran Browser.org, al-islam.com, islam101, Abdullah Y. Ali translation I will finnish with in the name of allah.org. All these translations I use sir & as you can see some of these are by top islamic scholars, so are you going to say they are all wrong sir. Every single one of them can not be wrong, they all back each other up so they are in fact all correct. Sir instead of trying to show us that what you are saying is the truth though you are not giving us any proof or evidence to confirm your point, I suggest that you do in fact check up on what you have been shown. You told us that you are a 55 year old man, so you do have maturity & intelligence, so use that & check up on what you have been shown. That is if you can get the truthful books & information from your own libraries. You will find if you can get the truthful information that what we have said is the truth, we are not lying, not one of us. We are trying to help you all, we are all telling the truth. Not one thing I have posted on any post I have made has been lies & every one of the points & quotes I have made can be checked out on the web by anyone & shown to be the truth sir. I have evidence & facts on my side, you have what you say & believe. Now going of these realities I have given & shown & you just having given what you think & believe, who does it look that is telling the truth here sir. The one who have given facts, evidences & given you the sites & links to those facts & evidences, or the one who just keeps saying what he believes & thinks is the truth sir. I know that you are mature enough to be able to answer this question truthfully although it may go against what you have been taught to believe all your life. If you so wish I can give you again link after link proving what I have said it the truth, though I know that you will not ask for me to do so as I have already given you these in previous posts. Sir I ask you to open your eyes to the truth & to the reality of the truth. Sir I will finish off by saying that I have nothing against any race on this planet & I wish to be able to live in peace with every single living person. But I will not be quiet about an ideology that has & teaches so much hatred fo others. Just take a look in some of the school books of muslim children in the middle east & see what they say about non muslims. They are taught to hate us all, they are taught that we must all be killed. Sir I ask you to wake up to the truth & the reality that is islam.
April 12th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
See by the Quran verse 9 of sura 41 :Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ? muslims already know, told by God, that there will be a day where non muslim people will start suspect God..the 4 days of the nourishment giving mentioned in the fellower verse is just part of earth creation..so its a first phase for god to create the earth in 2 days, then giving the nourishment in a sum of 4 days..adding to that, the 2 days took him to build up the seven heavens..it is exactly the six days God told us about..
regarding the Allah’s Day..is it Equal to 1000 Years or 50,000 Years..God used the word Yaum in Quran. It is arabic word which means period of time..its not necessary means the 24 hours that human consider to make up a day.
A period of time can be of a thousand year.
A period of time can be 50,000 years.
which came first heaven or earth, have you consider that modern science could have some mistakes? one day, scientists have convinced people that earth is flat and then changed their mind..
i’ll stop here as this all thing became counterproductive..people see what they want to see..and its wrong to run commonsense against faith..in case of islam and the holy book there r no contradiction but i clearly see its beyond your mind to understand it.
go ahead and read,101 Contradiction in Bible
April 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
“take a look in some of the school books of muslim children in the middle east & see what they say about non muslims. They are taught to hate us all, they are taught that we must all be killed”
now thats a myth..Killings of any Non-Muslim is not legitimate unless under some circumstance like war, having sex..
islam have always taught us to respect and to be peaceful with muslims and non muslims..
the reason why many muslim people seems to hate non muslim people in general is what they hear and see from media..i mean the things that non muslims do to muslims all over the world..
April 12th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Oh deary deary me, here we go again, both deluded muslims here trying to make out that the book of errors is true. Well lets go through the facts yet again as I have done many many times in the past. Though I am sure that no matter how much evidence I show you both neither of you will accept the truth or the facts, but here we go non the less. Right the first one. Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days. Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days, So He completed them (heavens) as seven firmaments in Two days and … Now do the math: 2(for earth) + 4(for nourishment) + 2 (for heavens) = 8 days; and not 6 days. No matter how or what math is used to work this out be it Arab, Hebrew, African, French it matters not. Lets look at what the maths say here. Your quran states 6 days, not years, not months, not decades, 6 days. Now 2 days for the Earth + 2 days for the Heavens + 4 days for the nourishment = 8 not 6. 2+2_4=8 no matter how you try to twist it, change it fiddle it 2+2+4=8, it does not make 6 & nothing in this world would make it do so.
Now then the day = to allahs day. Now what is anyone who reads this going to think when what they read says & I quote from your own quran nothing else. In Sura 22:47 and 32:5 Allah’s day is equal to 1,000 human years. Then they read: In Sura 70:4, Allah’s day is equal to 50,000 human years. Now what does this say first sura 22.47 says allahs day is equal to 1000 HUMAN DAYS. Then we read in sura 70.4 50,000 is equal to HUMAN DAYS. Both say human days both give different time periods. Now if they where to mean just one time period why then does it state different time periods. If it were to mean as you claim just a time period, why stipulate 1000 then 50,000, it should have been the same length of time. So I am sorry but your explanation does not hold any water sir. it is full of holes & may I say dirty big holes at that.
Now whats next, oh yes the myth of the children’s books in the Middle east. Lets take a look at some quotes from news organisations shall we.
Muslims alone have the right to rule the world and are allowed to kill infidels that stand in the way of Islam. This is the message being taught to schoolchildren through textbooks used in the network of institutions run by Jamaat ud-Daawa, according to a research report on Hate Speech complied by the Liberal Forum Pakistan. “Infidels are cowards by nature,” claims the Urdu textbook used in the second grade (for seven-year-olds). “When a holy warrior attacks them, they scream with terror and fear.” Mujahideen are glorified as the alpha male on a mission from God. They are the superheroes that kill Hindus, fashion all sorts of gadgets from found material, and make the infidel world cower in fear. Now as anyone can see this is from Pakistan, now lets look at other places shall we.
Now what about the UK, A BRITISH school attended by the children of Islamic fanatics was forced to shred 2,000 textbooks used to poison pupils’ minds with lessons of hate, an ex-teacher has claimed. “The race hate included test questions asking pupils to list the reprehensible qualities of Jews and described Christians as ’pigs’. It was appalling.” The tribunal heard that some pupils made “inappropriate” remarks about killing Americans and praised Al Qaeda leader Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks.
Now what about else where in the world, Wahabbi Saudi Arabian evil textbooks that are being spread throughout the World calling Christians and Jews “apes and pigs” Little Girl on Palestinian T V:
“But I march quickly toward my death.”
Little boy on Palestinian T V:
“. . . And we swear to take vengeful blood from our enemies for our killed and wounded.
Jordanian and Palestinian School book (1998):
“This religion [Islam] will destroy all other religions through the Islamic Jihad fighter.” 3 ½ year old Girl prompted by some adult (May, 2002):
“A - . . . Are you familiar with the Jews? G - Yes. A – Do you like them? G – No. A – Why don’t you like them? , G – Because. A – Because they are whats? , G – They’re apes and pigs. A – Who said they are so? , G – Our God. A – Where did He say this? , G – In the Koran.” . A “mock beheading” video located at radical Sheikh Abu Hamza’s website (www.shareeah.org ), which featured three young Muslim boys who pretended to behead a fourth. “Studies in Theology: Tradition and Morals, Grade 11, (2001) pp. 291-92 …This noble [Qur'anic] Surah [Surat Muhammad]… deals with questions of which the most important are as follows: ‘Encouraging the faithful to perform jihad in God’s cause, to behead the infidels, take them prisoner, break their power, and make their souls humble - all that in a style which contains the highest examples of urging to fight. You see that in His words: “When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield strike off their heads and, when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Now come on now do you really want me to continue posting more & more proof showing what I have said is indeed the truth. I have given you 100% correct translations, I have given you evidence, proof, facts. I can if you so wish give you links after links to lots & lots of sites showing these truths & facts. Now please if you are going to try to prove your points, do not come here with just what your quran says or & what you or your imams say & think. Come here with 100% evidence, 100% facts, 100% proofs, not I think this, my imam says that, the quran tells us you are lying. All that is rubbish, give us facts, evidence, proofs as I have done with you. I have given you the courtesy of giving you evidence & facts please give us that same courtesy.
April 14th, 2008 at 7:51 am
you should have done better than copy and paste other people talks and believes
April 14th, 2008 at 8:18 am
loud, what I copied was quotes showing that what I had said is 100% the truth. The only reason you make the comment you do is that they ARE INDEED THE TRUTH & you do not like it. I have proven that what you said was not the truth & that these school books that are being used are indeed being use in islamic schools all over the world. That religion of yours, that ideology, that belief, that cult of death is the most evil thing ever to be allowed to exist. No matter what you say that belief is plane evil beyond belief. The only way you can make any comment is to make out that things are copied but just because they may well be copied does not make them wrong in any way. As I said in my last post, if you want to try to prove us wrong them then do as I have done & give evidence, give proof. I have given you that courtesy so do the decent thing & give us that same courtesy please. To reply with the kind of comments you have just proves us right.
April 14th, 2008 at 9:45 am
truthseaker, are you jew?
April 14th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I don’t understand what the question has to do with anything. Truthseaker is quoting from the Quran. It doesn’t matter if he is a Martian, it doesn’t change any of the hate in the Quran, that is irrefutable.
April 14th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Thanks Ray. But all I can say to what that person has said is. Te he he he har har har he he he!!!!!!!!, boy have you made me laugh or what!!!
As Ray has said it does not matter what I am, black, white, blue, purple. Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, or even satanist. It matters not, what does matter is the fact that islam is plane evil to its very core & I will shout that fact from the very roof tops until every person in the whole world knows the truth about this evil cult of death.
April 15th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
i only mention the question to see from which angle you see the world..i didnt get the answer to the question thought will see if you still say the same talk in the day of Resurrection
April 15th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
As both I & Ray have said it matters not what I am, what does matter is the evil that is islam, the oppression that is the religion of terror. The lies that are spread by the cult of death, so what I am matters not. If you are worried about anyones position at the time of the resurrection, when I assume that you mean when all those who have supposed to have lived answers to God. Then I would suggest that rather than worry about anyone else’s position where that is concerned. I would think that it would be worth anyones while to worry about there own positions. So thank you for your nice thoughts on my welfare at that conjuncture IE meeting with God. Though I would have thought that anyone would be better thinking about there own position. Oh & by the way that being the case & you wanting to know where I stand. are you a muslim, or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu. By your comments I would have it a guess that you are in fact a muslim.
April 16th, 2008 at 8:48 am
dear truthseaker
As Muslims, the default assumption we should have about other people in any matter is that they are free of blame. Islam demands fairness and impartiality when it comes to judging others.
Allah says: “And when you speak, then be just, though it be (against) a relative.” [Sûrah al-An`âm: 152]
He also says: “O you who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of any people make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do. ” [Sûrah al-Mâ'idah: 8]
It is wrong for a person to accuse anyone else of something wrong except with full knowledge and tangible proof. It is forbidden to base a judgment against someone on hearsay, conjecture or suspicion.
Allah says: “O you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth, lest you harm people unwittingly, and afterwards become full of repentance for what you have done.” [Sûrah al-Hujurât: 5]
He also warns us: “O you who believe! Shun much suspicion; for lo! some suspicion is a sin.” [Sûrah al-Hujurât: 12]
In those cases where one is compelled to mention another person’s faults, it is best to mention that person’s good points as well. It is wrong to exaggerate the importance of the person’s error or stress the fault too much, especially if it is possible that the error was an honest mistake or in a matter where the truth is not 100% clear.
If a person’s error is clearly manifest and established by solid evidence, then it is not wrong to warn people against the error and clarify the truth. However, that correction must be carried out appropriately, in a gentle manner that does not drive people away. The mistake itself should be corrected without delving into anything beyond that. For example, the person who made the mistake should not be accused of having bad intentions or an evil motive.
Al-Dhahabî, speaking about the mistakes of the scholars, said the following: [Siyar al-A`lâm al-Nubalâ' (14/374)]:
If we were to discredit every person who made mistake in judgment or declare those people as innovators – people who are essentially of good faith and sincerely seek the truth – then scarcely would any of our scholars be spared.
Speaking about Qatâdah – the illustrious Successor – he said [Siyar al-A`lâm al-Nubalâ' (2/271)]:
He was one who asserted human free will to the extent of denying Divine Decree over human actions. We ask Allah to protect us from such ideas. On the other hand, no one ever doubted his honesty in the least, or his integrity, or the strength of his memory. It is quite possible that Allah forgives the likes of him for falling into certain innovated ideas with no other intention but to glorify Allah and to hold Him far above (the bad deeds that people commit.) Allah is the judge who is just and merciful towards His servants. He is not to be asked about what He does.
We should keep in mind that people of knowledge, intelligence, integrity, and piety – who are meticulous in investigating matters and who are quite often correct in their conclusions – they are to be pardoned when they err in their judgment on occasion.
Their good qualities and good work should not be dismissed. Of course, we do not follow what is shown to be wrong, regardless of who the mistake came from. However, we do not use it to discredit the good that a person has done
April 16th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Nabeel, why will you not accept the facts I have already shown you. I have given you absolute proof that the quran is in error. You say in your post & I quote : If a person’s error is clearly manifest and established by solid evidence, then it is not wrong to warn people against the error and clarify the truth. I have shown that to you with many many quotes from your own quran & yet you state the last quote yourself though you do not follow that same advice, please tell me why it is for me to follow that advice & yet it is not for you to follow.
You quote : If we were to discredit every person who made mistake in judgment or declare those people as innovators – people who are essentially of good faith and sincerely seek the truth – then scarcely would any of our scholars be spared. Well for one if something is wrong & we know through knowledge it is wrong then, then it would be a fool to accept it as truth, is that not true. The quran has again as I have said many times has been proven to be wrong over & over again. It has been proven to be wrong in science, in History, in geology, in Astronomy, in Astrology, in Archeology lets face it it has been proven to be wrong in every area known to man. These errors are not of scholars who have studied that book & there interpretation of those verses there in. They are errors right from the mouth of mohammad himself & so that being the case. They are the errors of your so called god allah, & so being god would it not be the case that he is all knowing & so if he knows everything then he would not get one thing wrong & or even for that matter need to change his mind on any subject.
This latter statements as we all know is all so true as allah changes his mind so many times its unreal. Nabeel, I have given you the courtesy of showing you facts, evidence even links to that same evidence. You sir have given me what it says in the quran. But what it says in the quran & how it proves its truth is through circular reasoning. It states that the quran is the word of god because mohammad & the quran says so, then it says that allah is god & mohammad is his prophet & how do we know this, because the quran says so. So how do you prove that the quran is right, is there any outside proof of this fact. NO THERE IS NOT, NOT ONE. The only way muslims can claim what they do is because the quran says so. Now as I said nabeel, I have given you outside proof to confirm what I have said is the truth, you on the other hand have come back to me & said & quoted the quran to prove your point. This kind of act will not wash sir, it does not proven anything at all. I have given you evidence, you have given me nothing & expect me to believe & accept what your so called holy book says even though I have given you outside 100% proof that this same book is in complete error.
Sir if you want to prove your point, if you want to show that what I have said is not true. Then please give me proof of such & by that I mean outside proven accepted knowledge that this is the case. Though the reason you have not done so is that because it does not exist, you can not do that one thing. As that quran has been proven to be in complete error from its first page to its last. I & others have asked you to give evidence to give proof to give facts, not just to quote the quran, to give proof outside proof. You have not done this in any of your posts, all you keep doing is to quote the quran. If you want to carry on this debate, I ask you one more time. I have given you the courtesy in giving you proven facts, evidence. Please allow us that same courtesy, we have given you plenty of time to answer us with evidence other than what your quran says, you have not done so. It seems like you just repeat what that book says, if I want a debate with a parrot I will get one. I thought you were a 55 years old man with some maturity & intelligence, please act like that is the case. If you wish I will give you more & more evidence proving that the quran is in total error in every area of known science from history to astronomy. So if you wish to debate please I am willing to do so with you, but allow me the same courtesy as I have with you. Give me proof, give me evidence, give me facts, but give them to me from other well known area’s of knowledge, encyclopedia’s, world renown Universities, world renown professors. I am sure you now get what I am trying to say here. If you are willing to try to give proof that what I have said is not true, other than from what the quran says, then I am more than happy to keep debating with you. But if you will not do that one simple thing, though I have given you that courtesy myself, I will not bother answering you any more as its a waste of time as all you do is repeat repeat repeat that quran.
April 18th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Unfortunately more and more often, Islam has been associated with terrorism and violence due to the actions of a few extreme individuals who’ve taken it upon themselves to do the most heinous crimes in the name of Islam.
Tragic events such as the attack on the twin towers in New York, the bombings of Bali, Madrid and London are assumed to be justified by Islam in the minds of some people. This idea has been fueled further by many media channels which defame Islam by portraying these bombers as ‘Islamists’ or ‘Jihadists’, as though they were sanctioned by Islam, or had any legitimate spokemenship on behalf of Muslims. The actions of a few fanatical individuals who happen to have Muslim names or ascribe themselves to the Muslim faith should not be a yardstick by which Islam is judged. For the same reason, that one would not do justice to Christianity if it where perceived as sanctioning the genocide of the Native Americans, the atrocities of world war II or the bombings of the IRA.
To understand Islam’s stance on terrorism, one must refer to its original sources, the Quran and the teachings of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,which are explicit in their prohibition of any form of injustice including that of wanton violence which seeks to instill fear, injury or death to civilians.
The Quran turns our attention to the high value of human life, whether it is Muslim or Non-Muslim and makes it absolutely forbidden to take an innocent life unjustly. The gravity of such a crime is equated, in the Quran, with the killing of all humanity.
“On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.” ( 5:32 )
Not only is human life sacred in Islam but the property, wealth, family and dignity of all individuals in society are to be respected and protected. Those who transgress these rights and sow fasad (corruption) as the Quran describes it, incur the wrath of Allah.
“…and seek not corruption in the earth; lo! Allah loveth not corrupters ” (28:77)
Likewise in another verse
“The blame is only against those who oppress men and wrong-doing and insolently transgress beyond bounds through the land, defying right and justice: for such there will be a penalty grievous” (42:42)
Islam goes further than just prohibiting oppression and safeguarding rights, it commands its faithful to deal kindly and compassionately to all those who seek to live in peace and harmony
“Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for your faith, nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: For Allah loves those who are just” (60:8)
In times of war and conflict, where enmity can obstruct an individual’s judgement to act morally, Islam commands that justice be upheld even towards one’s enemies.
“O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do” (5:8)
Centuries before the Geneva Convention was drawn up, Muslims were bound by a code of conduct which the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, set. He forbade the killing of women, children and elderly in war. In an authentic narration the Prophet (pbuh) warned that he who kills anyone who has a covenant of peace with the Muslims will not smell the scent of Paradise. In fact, he taught that justice is not only to humans but must be shown to animals and all living things. In a narration the Prophet (pbuh) informed us about how a lady was sent to hell because of a cat she had locked up until it starved and died. If such is the sanctity which Islam places on the soul of an animal, how much more grave is the killing of hundreds of innocent humans?!
Abu Bakr the first Calipha of the Muslims reflected these prophetic teachings when he advised his general Yazid, who was confronting Roman armies,
“I advise you ten things, Do not kill women or children or an aged, infirm person. Do not cut down fruit-bearing trees. Do not destroy an inhabited place. Do not slaughter sheep or camels except for food. Do not burn bees and do not scatter them. Do not steal from the booty, and do not be cowardly.”
The message of the Quran is clear as we have seen, that the sanctity of any human life is to be respected and any violation in that regard is paramount to the worst crime. Mercy is at the heart of the Islamic call, “We sent thee (O Muhammad) not save as a mercy for the peoples” (21:107); a totally different message to what the terrorists are sadly imparting to humanity.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
First can I ask hnad where Christianity had anything to do with World War 1 or World War 2, it had nothing to do with any of these wars. Neither did religion or for that case Christianity have anything to do with the so called Genocide of the Native Americans, what planet are you on man?, religion have had nothing at all to do with any of the conflicts or wars you have mentioned. Now lets get down to that evil that is islam, first of all I have given quote after quote showing that this religion of death is plane evil to its very core. I have given evidence of that, I have given facts, I have given proof & you come & make the remarks you do. The only conclusion is that you have either just come to this planet from a distant universe Or you have been living in some kind of bubble. Where not one bit of information has been able to get through. That is the only reason that you could even think you can make the kind of comments you have & believe they are true.
Now lets go off facts shall we, but instead of typing them all out all over again I will give you links, though I am sure you will not look at them or even check them out. As they all tell the truth about the quran & that evil ideology called islam. First what the quran teaches: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm .
Now Contradictiions in the quran, http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv11.html . But if you want this in arabic try this one: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Arabic/contradictions.htm .
Now what about some more things in that glorious book, Historical errors : http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv7.html . or Perversion of Quran : http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv12.html . What about The Abrogator and Abrogated Qur’anic Verses : http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv10.html . The Veil of Divine Inspiration of the Qur’an or the scientific error with the quran: http://answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv6.html#CH6. What about Scrutinizing the Rumors And Exposing Hoaxes & lies that are within the quran : http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Hoaxes/ . Does Islam Have a Peaceful Face?, http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/islam_peaceful.htm . Lets finish with some muslim debating techniques, these are things that muslims have been told to do when debating with non muslims. Ayesha Ahmed,
Most important advice to all muslim brothers and sisters is never to accept a written debate with infidels. It is suicidal. Our Prophet and islam , both will be humiliated badly . Always go for a public debate in front of a live audience. The biggest advantage is that if you cannot dazzle them with brilliance you can baffle them with bullshit Take the example from Imam zakir Naik.
(Besides, the real dangerous ones , the ex-muslims will never dare to come in the open for they know they will be dead meat Less dangerous ones who come in the open will be very careful of what they say for the fear of their lives. Our mujahids are always ready to kill apostates)
How about convert or get beheaded, you have to present this lion of an aya disguised as a pussy cat. There are two ways to do it. One is to say the violent ayas are only applicable in defensive wars when attacked by infidels. Other way is to say these ayas are conditional, and then connect them with abrogated defensive fighting ayas of earlier Madina days for applicable conditions. It works wonders with P.C. westerners..
MISTREATMENT AND OPPRESSION OF NON MUSLIMS IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES,
This is also a very popular topic filthy kuffars bring out. When they ask why is there no religious freedom in muslim countries like they have in our country and why muslims kill innocent non muslims, say what muslims do does not represent islam. What is in Quran is Islam and Quran says “there is no compulsion in religion”(2.256) and “killing one innocent is like killing all humanity” (5.32).
(But do not tell them that “there is no compulsion in religion “ was revealed in totally different context and in islam innocents are only muslims, nonmuslims can never be innocents, they are guilty without pardon and condemned to hell for denying islam)
To end I will show one more thing, The worth of a non muslim to a muslim
WALL STREET JOURNAL: - The Wall Street Journal, April 9, 2002). In Saudi Arabia, the concept of blood money as per Islamic Shariat (If a person has been killed or caused to die by another, the latter has to pay blood money or compensation), as follows:
100,000 riyals if the victim is a Muslim man
50,000 riyals if a Muslim woman
50,000 riyals if a Christian man
25,000 riyals if a Christian woman
6,666 riyals if a Hindu man
3,333 riyals if a Hindu woman
That is, a Muslim man’s life is worth 33 times that of a Hindu woman.
The inequality of Muslims and non-Muslims is enshrined in the Qur’an and hadis. Here are a few examples:
A Muslim must not be killed for killing an infidel (Hadis and ibn Kathir’s interpretation of verse 5:45 ).
Believers and non-believers are not equal…6:50, 28:61, 32:19, 35:19-22, 38:28, 39:9, 40:58, 45:21, 59:20, 67:22, 68:35.
These are all facts, proof, evidence showing that islam is evil, it is a religion of hate & death to non muslims. I have shown that by what I have posted here. I can give many many more proofs & evidences showing these facts. I can quote quran verses telling muslims to kill all non muslims. So Hnad please do not come here spouting the rubbish you have
We do know the truth about islam, we do have the evidence, you are not dealing with stupid people who do not know the truth. I will give you one piece of good advice sir & that is get out of that evil faith / religion now as it is evil to its very core.
April 19th, 2008 at 9:58 am
April 19th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
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Millions and millions are quiting Islam every year; in Africa 16,000 leave
Islam everyday, according to Faithfreedom.org.
http://faithfreedom.org/oped/sina31103.htm
For Muslims reading this, be brave! You too can leave Islam. Be a brave apostate!
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
Youtube & Google Video have put ‘Fitna’ up too. See the link at the bottom.
GO Mr. Wilders! Great job! Short and to the point, very powerful!
It will be interesting to see how many Dhimmi politicians will watch this. Eventually, most probably will.
SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone!
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, then there can be no real freedom.
The Christians and Jews don’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.
That’ll be great if there’s not much rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
weak and insecure is BEST
the best way for religion
KILL those who question it
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Islam for everyone
submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude
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absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense
exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech
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http://www.themoviefitna.com/?p=52
http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.blogspot.com/2008/03/will-geert-wilders-film-fitna-be-shown.html
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://haltterrorism.com/
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April 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Well I posted the information I did on the 19th of this month, giving the muslims who had come on this site to show up us kafirs for being the stupid people we are. I & many others gave them facts showing the quran to be in absolute error, we gave them evidences, we gave them quotes, many of them. Scream has gone silent, nabeel has gone quiet & Hnad as with the others has it seems stayed away, why I ask have they done this. We have all said that if they gave us secular evidence as we have done for them, showing that we was in error & that what we have all said about the quran is not true & that evidence being absolute, we would back down & stop saying the things we do & have.
But nothing, not a word from these scholars of islam. No secular evidence, no scientific facts, no archaeological proofs, no biological wonders, nothing, not a word from any of them. Something may I say that happens every single time when debating with these people, you show secular proof, evidence, facts & lots of them, proving that from science to history the quran is in absolute error. There answers to us are, well the quran says this & a verse in that hadith states that & we know its true because the quran says so. So how do you know the quran is the truth, you then ask & they say coz mohammad says so, but how do you know that what mohammad says is the truth, coz the quran says so. Circular reasoning & it just does not wash. So yet again we have had these muslims coming on this site telling us that what we say is not true & after we show them that what we have said is in fact the truth & give absolute evidence of that, we do not se these muslims for dust. Unless they tell some of there friends then we start the whole process all over again, its enough to make a sane man crazy.
I read something the other day that I think would amuse you all, it was a transcript of a Iraqi TV program or part of it. A muslim astrologer was debating a Iraqi physicist about what the quran says about the earth being flat. If you would like a big smile on your face take a read of this.
This is the link http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1684.htm .
Transcript:
Quote:
Fadhel Al-Sa’d, Iraqi researcher on astronomy : The Koranic verse that I have just recited – “The breadth of Paradise is as the breadth of the heavens and earth” – attests to the fact that the Earth is flat.
Iraqi physicist ‘Aboud Al-Taei: If the Earth is not round, what shape does it have? I have proof today, as a result of scientific development – using satellites, modern devices, and spaceships… In particular, considering the spaceships and space shuttles that constantly circle the Earth, and some have left Earth for the solar system… The photographs they took prove that the Earth is round.
When you watch a ship sailing towards the shore, all you see at first is the mast. Then you see the ship’s bow, and eventually the entire ship.
Fadhel Al-Sa’d: When you stand on the beach and you look into the distance, everything you see is in the visible distance. In the blurred distance, you cannot see a thing. Later on, as the ship gets closer to the shore and the harbor, you see its upper part. How do you see it? The eye, as I have said… So far, no doctor has succeeded in understanding how the eye works. How come you see things as round when they are in the blurred distance, but when they get within visible distance, you see them as straight? It happens the same way. When we stand on the ground, we are close to it. Therefore, we see with only half of the eye. If we split the iris into half, we see with the upper half things that are far, and with the lower half things that are near.
In 1999, there was a full solar eclipse. We went to Mosul, and over there we climbed to Mar Matti Monastery, the altitude of which is 3,600 feet.
The sun began to disappear slowly behind the moon. This is because the moon is half the size of the sun. The moon’s diameter is 1,200,000 km, while that of the sun is 2,400,000 km.
‘Aboud Al-Taei: The figures he mentioned regarding the size of the moon… By means of scientific methods, and physical and astronomical principles, scientists have managed to determine the mass of the moon. It is one-sixth the mass of the Earth. This explains the gravity on the moon, which was determined by the astronauts who reached the surface of the moon. They proved that the moon is round. Gravity was less there. It was six times less than the gravity on the Earth, which is why the weight of things is one-sixth there.
Interviewer: Lunar and solar eclipses, sunset and sunrise, and the changing of seasons – how would you explain all these phenomena, if the Earth is not round, as you claim?
Fadhel Al-Sa’d: The sun circles the Earth because it is smaller than the Earth, as is evident in Koranic verses.
Have you ever seen how the sun moves? I have seen the sun moving. The sun makes one move every 24 hours.
What I say is based on Koranic science. He bases his arguments on the kind of science that I reject categorically – the modern science that they teach in schools. This science is a heretic innovation that has no confirmation in the Koran. No verse in the Koran indicates that the Earth is round or that it rotates. Anything that has no indication in the Koran is false.
Keep fighting & telling the truth about this evil book & religion of death. Keep up the good work Ray.
September 10th, 2008 at 8:11 am
yu no guys i think that fuk producer has already been eyed by the islamist regim and will be dead soon just wait for ramadan to be over
February 12th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Surely it’s only sadistic or mentally ill muslims who believe in this millitant stuff. Most muslims that I have met have been really nice people.
March 1st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
To truthseaker,
Where can i access about the abrogated versions of Quran?Any reference pls?
October 14th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
So, let me ask a dumb question. I hear all the time that all muslims are not the same non-violent/violent etc……..so if the violent majority tells the non-violent to adhere to their views will you succumb?
January 9th, 2010 at 8:19 am
I read almost all your posts but allow me to say that you are wrong.
You judge on the religion (Islam) by judging its followers (Moslems).
All of your comments are about Moslems and the final judgment is: Islam is a bad religion. How will that be right?
MOSLEMS ARE NOT ISLAM, they are not angels either, and they are not gods either.
They are humans and humans make mistakes, just like yourselves.
MOSLEMS’ MISTAKES ARE NOT DEFECTS IN ISLAM.
Or if you use the same method for example to judge the Christ religion by judging the Christians’ mistakes, it will be a terrible judgment…!!!
The majority of Moslems are not applying 100% of Islamic instructions, so they are not perfect followers, but this can not be considered as a defect in Islam.
Islam is a perfect religion from god and if we all followed its instructions believe me it would be a better life.
PLEASE STUDY ISLAM (the religion not the followers) CAREFULLY BEFORE JUDGING IT.